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THE PROBLEM:

Someone from Authonomy spooked me when they said 'You won't get published if your work is uploaded to WeBook'.  This obviously scared me as without WeBook I haven't really got anywhere to go to get feedback on my writing and editing can be really difficult without any guidance.

Immediatley I removed all my projects from WeBook and e-mailed the staff to get their opinion and I got a reply:

MY QUESTION (17/05/2010):


I am just writing to clear up a little matter with your website (which for the record is my favourite writers websites).  I was recently advised by someone else, that I shouldn't upload my whole novel to any website, including WeBook, as it will put an agent/publisher off - why invest in something that is already available for free?
 
My question to you is what is your advice on this matter?  You have relationships with several agents and I wondered what you viewed their opinion as? 
 
I have spent a lot of time on my stories, trying to perfect them.  I have found the support of other people on the site really supportive and helpful and learnt so much.  I don't want to shoot myself in the foot by having my work on WeBook if it will cut my chances of getting published.

THE RESPONSE (21/05/2010):


Thanks for your question. While authors are able to post all or some of their work for display from other WEbook members, authors are also able to take it down at any time (since authors retain full rights when posting on WEbook). This means that should you garner attention from an agent or publisher, you will be able to remove your work from WEbook, negating the problem.


 

This has actually already happened a few times, where an author with work submitted to PageToFame has secured representation by a literary agent. The agent did ask that they remove the work from WEbook, but there weren’t any issues beyond that.

 

Additionally, PageToFame is actually a great way to find attention from literary agents, since every page that is elevated to the 2nd round is read by a at least one agent. (usually two!)


 

I think the warning was directed to sites that ask for electronic rights from the author, where they would be able to continue posting your material without your permission, but WEbook will never do that!


THE OUTCOME:

I found their response very reassuring and although I have not yet re-uploaded any of my work to WeBook, I feel I will definitley use them in the future.  Although, I think just to be safe, I'll only upload a chapter or two and never a full manuscript. 
 
How exciting.  Sunday, I was enjoying a day out in Thetford forest with my fiance and his best friend when... I got a text asking if I was free on Tuesday to do a catwalk.  Of course, I said YES!

Then, I had the panic of getting the afternoon of work at short notice so I could go.  Thankfully, my Manager was really supportive and as I had no appointments booked then I could go. 

It was a long day from 4:00pm until 10:00pm.  I was one of the models who went on the stage for Antonio Giovanni to style my hair live infront of an audience.  He did this gorgeous messy hairstyle, that involved two plaits, volume and was simply beautiful.  I felt like a fairy bride.

The event was to raise money for the Children's Hospice and was a very personal matter for Vinnie (The Salon Director).  Check out the salon at: http://www.antoniogiovanni.co.uk/
 
Being a bit of a geek (and loving online life), I have found the emerging writers websitesa true blessing.  Today, I have written a review on the ones I am currently using.

1.  WeBook:    This is my favourite.  Suitable for anyone who enjoys reading and writing and wants to develop and take their writing seriously.  Highly Recommended.

2.  Agent Query:  The main website is a wealth of knowledge on agents and publishers.  The social site (if you can login) is suitable for anyone who is on the verge of (or is) looking for an agent or publisher.  Recommended.

3.  Authonomy:  This website has the promise of getting your manyscript on an editors desk (if shelved enough).  The members of this site take their writing very seriously and are very competitive.  It is still in beta and suffers a few bugs.  Fun concept and with use I am sure I will enjoy it more.

4.  Writers Room:  Use this website if you just write for fun and have no interst in getting published.  There are fun games to help you develop and get through writers block.  This is my least favourite site and not my cup of tea.
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WeBook:  www.WeBook.com

Overall
Ranked a top 5 star!  I would recommend this site to anyone who is starting out but ready to take their writing to the next level. 

Ease of Use
This is my all time favourite.  I found the site easy to navigate and use.  There are videos you can watch with step-by-step guides, written guides or you can ask other members on the forum. 

Features
I have learnt a lot from the projects feature and had a go at P2F.  I have not yet tried AITB.  Some people feel that WeBook shouldn't charge for P2F but most competitions these days do.  I haven't tried AITB, so I can't comment on whether I think it is value for money.
a. Projects
 Members can rate (1to5 stars) submissions and leave comments to help the author improve.  You can give your work a picture and blurb and it is easy to manage and update at anytime.  A project can have more than one writer, so you can collaborate. 
b.  Page 2 Fame (Pay)
Like many writers competitions there is a fee to enter.  The difference is that submissions are voted on by the public (until the next round) and you can check how your submission is getting on - too many low scores and your out.  The prize, to have your work read by a top literacy agent (who specialises in your genre)!  There is a free comp every week on the home page and you can win free entry to P2F.
c.  Agent In The Box (Pay)
This took supports you sending out your manuscript for submission.  The fee includes feedback on making your submissiong stand out, they support you with your letter and sourcing the best agents for your genre. 

Social
Socialising is easy on WeBooks.  You can chat to people on the forums.  You can send private messages to their WeBook inbox.  You can join groups for common interests.  You can add people to your friends which helps you stay in touch with writers you like.

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Agent Query:  www.agentquery.com

Overall
This is a brilliant website for finding out who is who and meeting the right people.  A very professional and well run website. 

Ease of Use
The biggest issue with this site, is how to log in?  The log in is hidden on the page and you haev to route around for 'Agent Connect'.  Once logged in, the left hand pannel is easy to navigate and use the site.

Features

a.  My Quick Connect Card
This is the cutest feature out of all the sites.  You get a piece of html code that you can add to a website or forum on another site that links directly to your Agent Query profile.
b.  My Media
Uploading your writing is easy to do, however, there does not appear to be a way of adding art work (unless embedded in your Word document),  There is no ranking or feedback system either (you can get this via the forums).
c.  Blogs
You can keep your own blog which appears on the history of your profile and in site searches.

Social
This is a profissional social website (like Linked In:  www.linkedin.com).  You can meet people via the groups (find people with similar intersts i.e. UK Writers, YA Fiction, etc) or in the Chat Room (sometimes used for industry guest speakers - tends to be USA time zone).  You can add people to your friends list (i.e. people you get on well with or a recommended agent). 

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Authonomy:  www.authonomy.com

Overall
The site is developed by the editors at Haper Collins.  They can see that the world for writers is changing and so they hope with this site to identify the next big thing... online.

Ease of Use
I didn't use this site for about a month as I couldn't figure out how to use it.  I was worreid to submit anything incase I made an iditot myself. 

Features

a.  Books
when I uploaded my first book the site crashed several times in the making.  You also can't edit a part of your book, you have to go through all the steps every time you need to make a change.  You need at least 10,000 words to appear in searches.
b.  Shelf
You read other writers work.  If you think their work is good, then you add them to your shelf (this awards the books points - moving it up the charts).  You can only have 5 on your shelf at anyone time.  Books you'd like to read later can be demoted to your 'watch list' (These are like the books you don't display proudly on your shelf - but secretly enjoy).  I have had an occasion when I bug meant I couldn't add books to my shelf - I ended up with just 3 for trying to fix the bug myself.  In the end, I returned 48 hours later and was able to add 5 books again.
c. Editors Desk
The top 5 ranked books end up on the editors desk.  These books then get considered for publication.  This is a very difficult position to get to.

Social
People can comment on your work but most readers don't as although this can help your improve or boost your motivation, it won't get you any closer to the ED.  People can leave you a public message on your page, and these messages usually say 'shelved' so you can return the favour.  There is a forum but I haven't really found it very chatty.  I don't understand why, but nobody wants to be friends (something about a bug that will cause your book to lose its rank - which is not desirable).

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WritingRoom:  www.WritingRoom.com

Overall
I know it is still in beta but there is a sense of it not yet being completed and nothing seems to be happening.    The site feels like a colloboration of products to be bought.

Ease of Use
The site is still in Beta.  Its pretty straight forward and all the sections are nicely laid out.  My profile is pretty much blank (probably cos I chose the expert option) but a lot of the fields on there are not needed - should just hide blank fields.

Features

a.  Writing
Upload your writing.  It is then voted for on a rating of 1 to 10.  My experience of the writing on this site has be very amature and a lot of very short pieces. 
b.  Copyright (Pay)
ProtctectRite (www.protectrite.com) is a company that can help you protect your writing.    For me, copyright is a very complext issue.  WeBook and Authonomy insist that the author retains their copyright for posted text, however, I have heard that agents do not like writers to post more than 3 chapters. 
c.  Self Publishing (Pay)
They are in partnership with Word Clay (www.wordclay.com) so you can produce and market your own book.  They also are in partnership with Inku Book (www.inkubook.com) who specialise in publishing picture books. 

Social
Personally I find that this site seems to attract younger people (who seem to be in some emotional turmoil).  I find that writers don't seem to want to read much on that site (not if the story is more than 250 words) and they don't comment much.

Raven Clark:  http://ravenclark.weebly.com/1/post/2010/05/the-language-of-writing-or-wow-was-i-green.html
This is a link to a blog by a friend I met through WeBook.  In this post, Raven compares WeBook and Authonomy lingo and his initial reaction.  Quite funny! 
 
Today someone from Agent Query e-mailed me and advised me that it is not a good idea to have your full manuscript up on any website as an agent/publisher could look at this as you already having your writing published and won't want to pay for it. 

WeBook has been an excellent site for meeting like minded friends, boosting my  writing confidence.  I've also learnt a lot about my writing pitfalls and how to edit my own work..  The site has served its purpose and I am now busy working on my final revision on Drift.  Therefore, I have decided to take all my stories down from Webook. 
I shall use what I have learnt from others to improve my work and once ready I shall start sending my novel out to Agents and Publishers. 

Not 100% clear on how to go about getting published, but I am meeting helpful people everyday online.  I am sure my new found friends will offer me helpful advice when I am ready.  Plus I have purchased The Writers and Artists Yearbook, which is a bible of sorts, to help writers looking to get published. 
 
i finally figured out how to use this website thanks to some guidance from a member named RichardBard.  The top tips he sared is:
  • I need to upload at least 10,000 words to appear in searches.  I had uploaded my first 3 chapers which came to 9,750.  Thanks to this top tip, I added chapter 4 and now people are reading and backing my story.
  • Adding a book to your watchlist doesn't boost their ratings.  They need to at least feature on your shelf.  this involves rotating your faves so they all get points and supporting people who have backed you. 
  • People who have gathered lots of points for backing popular stories get a higher status and therefore reward with triple points.
I am feeling really positive now.  Since last night I am on someones bookshelf and on a few watchlists.  i have recieved a positive comment from someone who has read it.  I think I will definitely keep visiting this site.

It's also really enlightening to be able to view the other peoples work that they are sending for publication.  I wish I had more time to read them as there are some really interesting blubs. 
 
www.Webook.com held their regular writing competition and I decided to give it a go. 

The challenge gave me a chance to analyse the last chapter of my story and ruthlessly cut the 2,00 word ending down to 100 words.  This was actually really hard as you have to really look at the importance of each word and decide what bits are needed and which are not. 

My submission can be found under > Short Stories/Drift's Ending  
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A Good Ending Challenge
Write the ending to a novel...an interesting ending.

In 100 words or less, write the end of a novel. It can be a made up novel, a partially completed novel, or a finished, polished manuscript. The key here is to make the ending interesting on its own. This is not easy (that's why it's called a challenge). You need to offer a sense of resolution, but also leave room for more things to happen off the page.